For myself, my herbalism is grounded in science.
Not scaring and killing children.
In the red corner, we have Rioja Santiago which is produced by the second oldest winery in La Rioja.
They would not let me.
The systemic insecticides move throughout the tissues of the rose bushes treated, thus getting into even the most seemingly hidden tissues where the thrips love to attempt to hide, feed and breed.
Even though caffeinated, I never felt it and I'd drop asleep with the milk and honey mixed in.